Kickstarter for WP8 and Desktop is Launched

MikeHart · November 2014

@SinisterSoft what is XDK?

SinisterSoft · November 2014

Xbox Dev kit.

ar2rsawseen · November 2014

Knowing @john26 's passion for Open Source, I'm certain that yes, results will be open sourced

john26 · November 2014

@SinisterSoft, yes, I can confirm that all the work we do will be open source. We have created a new fork on Github and, at the end of the project, will submit a pull request to Arturs for our work to be merged into the main Gideros repo.

john26 · November 2014

> I'd be happy to contribute what little time I do have to any HTML5 work / tests.

Thanks very much, @techdojo, your help will be most valuable!

SinisterSoft · November 2014

So the kickstarter will openup new resources on the website if you pay more - like the labs?

SinisterSoft · November 2014

John26: If I add the extra bits for xbone then I'm not too sure what will be allowed as opensource without further nda from MS.

SinisterSoft · November 2014

A easy destination might be Raspberry Pi, having something that can create good game on that platform might generate a lot of income for the Kickstarter (maybe as a stretch goal). It has OpenGL and everything is standard - like a games console.

ar2rsawseen · November 2014

I remember once Atilim told me that it is possible to create Gideros linux builds (and not launching it through Wine), because Gideros already uses all compatible libraries as on OSX. The linux build was not added because the builds where made manually.

So that may not even be a stretch goal, but existing possibility, or something else is needed for Raspberry Pi specifically?

ar2rsawseen · November 2014

BTW, yesterday @atilim finished single script installation.
So if you have a clean OSX with brew on it, single script will install all dependencies, copy all files, build everything and even make installation packages from them

We are now struggling to make it work on travis, as build takes more than 50min which is a limit on travis

https://github.com/gideros/gideros/blob/master/scripts/install.script.sh

gorkem · November 2014

@ar2rsawseen in fact we built for native Linux on my machine at that time. It wasn't hard - only took a few hours to fix scripts here and there.

totebo · November 2014

This is a great project that will get my support, not least just to keep Gideros moving as a product.

To sum up/confirm: once this project is completed, what concrete platforms can I export my existing Gideros game to?

Confirmed:

- Android
- iOS (until 64 bit becomes mandatory)
- Windows
- Mac
- Windows Mobile

What about?

- Steam?
- XBox?
- PlayStation?
- Other proprietary platforms?

MikeHart · November 2014

Supporting to many platforms will kill it. You will take to much time to hunt platform compatibility than actually developing features. For indies the most important platforms are the desktop ones these days anyway. Everything else is a pure luck game.

SinisterSoft · November 2014

I don't mind looking at xbone eventually (possibly others too). Like I said before you would prob get backing from the Raspberry Pi 'community' (pretty large) for an easy way of creating games for/on that platform - might be worth adding as one of the stretches.

SinisterSoft · November 2014

@ar2rsawseen - do you think the osx 'build' process can be modded easily then to make a Linux (x86) and a Linux (arm) build?

ar2rsawseen · November 2014

@SinisterSoft it is possible to build windows binaries on osx using Wine, but I have no idea if it is possible building Linux binaries on OSX
but something tells me it's not possible

john26 · November 2014

@SinisterSoft, If the Kickstarter is successful we will make changes/additions to the Gideros source code to support the new targets. Gideros will remain open source so all features will be available to all users with no limits or restrictions. However, there are some rewards to backers as you will see on Monday! :-)

@totebo, you are right, if the kickstarter is succesful, the supported targets will be:

- iOS
- Android
- Windows Desktop
- Windows Metro apps
- Windows Phone 8
- Mac OS X Desktop

(there will also be a stretch goal for HTML5)

Steam accepts regular Windows Desktop apps so it will be supported. We won't support Playstation or Xbox in this kickstarter but the changes to support WP8 will go some way towards Xbox support since we will need to use DirectX as a graphics library (WP8/Metro do not allow OpenGL)

john26 · November 2014

> If I add the extra bits for xbone then I'm not too sure what will be allowed as opensource without further nda from MS.

Yes, with Microsofts restrictions it may be necessary to put the xbox one "module" in a separate location. Then we could allow people to access (for free?) if they have signed up as Xbox devs. So the Xbox module would not be open source but links to the open source Gideros code. Note: Gideros has a permissive open source license so linking to Gideros does not make your whole code open source. It is not a "viral" licence like GPL.

It would be great if we could work together on such an Xbox module!

ar2rsawseen · November 2014

And the kickstarter is officially launched:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/207069325/port-gideros-studio-to-windows-phone-8-and-desktop

SinisterSoft · November 2014

Yes - I was 'investor #1'

keszegh · November 2014

well done.
i've found one typo in the text: Gideors->Gideros

boriskey · November 2014

awesome! thanks for all your work putting the kickstarter's project! just registered there to contribute too!

MikeHart · December 2014

Great job, hopefully it will be successful.

Edit: And backed it too. :-)

Tom2012 · December 2014

I'm in and good luck!

Very exciting to see Gideros moving forward!

keszegh · December 2014

Btw, the 'we', i.e., the whole team bringing us desktop support is not mentioned in the kickstarter page. i expect that @ar2rsawseen will be also participating, is anybody else in the 'core' team? (just wondering, i want to know to whom i'll be indebted)

SinisterSoft · December 2014

Almost halfway to the goal.

Might be time to start officially adding stretch goals...

ar2rsawseen · December 2014

@keszegh while we are helping any way we can now, we are not the ones doing heavy lifting

There are lots of other things that need to be dealt with, as builds, removing obsolete code/licenses, adding 64 binary support, etc on which we are working on

keszegh · December 2014

@ar2rsawseen, in this case, that's nice that you (and whoever else contributes) do the necessary background work to get gideros going without any financial reward, guys like you put the 'open' next to 'source'.
and surely my respect for @john26 for doing the desktop theoretically all by himself, that seems to be a great challenge, kickstarted or not.
sorry for being sentimental, i'm just thrilled that gideros goes in the right direction.

john26 · December 2014

@kezegh, the other person involved is @marcelojunior who has already done some great work adding new screen resolutions to the player. Marcelo will mainly be doing the desktop and I will be focusing on the WP8/metro side of things...

@atilim and @ar2rsawseen have kindly offered to give advice but are not really working on the project as such.

marcelojunior · December 2014

Hello my friends. Sorry for the delay to appear here.

Well, I'm on the project to work on the desktop version. I'm working this week to commit (and pull request) the changes we already have with the player (auto scale, resolution info, hide menu).

Until the start of the campaign project, I study a little more and also check some possibilities that we talked the other topic (e.g. an api to record the player screen, or even use the twitch api).

Let's do it!

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