file size apk = 2.5mb

oleg · May 2018

file size
apk = 2.5kb
Is it possible that Gideros did smaller apk files??

antix · May 2018

Interesting. It would be good to be able to exclude some things like Box2d for example. When I generate an APK file for a blank Gideros project I get a 7,777KB APK file. This is larger by far than the defold APK but it's not too large in my opinion.

oleg · May 2018

@antix I need to fit in 5mb

Apollo14 · May 2018

@oleg if your apk size will be reduced from 8mb to 2mb, you will gain only 1%

(though I agree that it could be awesome to be able to reduce apk size in Gideros)
Google's recent stats:
https://medium.com/googleplaydev/shrinking-apks-growing-installs-5d3fcba23ce2

For every 6 MB increase to an APK’s size, we see a decrease in the install conversion rate of 1%.

oleg · May 2018

@Apollo14 -це не таk працює 1% це серед ігрових гігантів, я не kонkурую з ними, я займаю ту нішу де зменшення до 5 мб дасть мені 40%

hgy29 · May 2018

A good way to reduce APK size would be to drop 32 bits processors. I wonder what is the market share for non 64 bits devices...

SinisterSoft · May 2018

Or maybe use the signing system on google play that splits the apk into different apks depending on the cpu, etc...

You provide your signing key to Google and they do all the work their end.

Not sure how to do this on Gideros export. Anyone tried this yet?

totebo · May 2018

@hgy29 what would the savings be if 32 bit architectures were removed? Could this be optional? My guess is that 64 bit apps would support most devices on iOS, but perhaps not on Android.

@SinisterSoft That sounds interesting. Any idea of how much the file size would be reduced?

totebo · May 2018

@oleg, not very scientific, but looking at the top 10 games in "top chart" in UK, the download size vary from 15-100MB. No games I checked were less than 15MB. Maybe the website (Appbrain Apptimizer?) is a bit cautious.

oleg · May 2018

@totebo Top 10 is an advertisement, it's not scientific

SinisterSoft · May 2018

@totebo it would be reduced by the size of the libs not needed for the processor on that phone - eg on an old phone only 1 set of the arm libs or another just the x86 libs would be needed.

totebo · May 2018

@oleg, that is very true. Many/all of those games have paid for their position by UA. Even so, I'm struggling to find even ONE game weighing less than 15MB, never mind 5MB or under. Can't really explain that.

@SinisterSoft That should have a BIG amount. Interested to see if that is possible with Gideros.

hgy29 · May 2018

Didn't find figures about 64bit market share except that 64bit was supposed to be predominant starting from last year, so obviously 32bit is not dead yet. This would have saved half size approximately though.

oleg · May 2018

SinisterSoft · May 2018

@totebo Do you want to try it with a test app...

antix · May 2018

I really don;t see many small apps in the play store unless they are like calculators and other small things. Games are mostly always over 10Mb .

oleg · May 2018

@antix it all depends on the device from which you go to the store

antix · May 2018

@oleg really?

oleg · May 2018

antix said:
@oleg really?

yes

antix · May 2018

@oleg okay I'll take your word for it but I still don't get it. I go to the play store on both of my devices.. and all of my games have the same size.

oleg · May 2018

antix ти вийди в магазин не з пікселя а з якогось китайського телефону

hgy29 · May 2018

@oleg, tu devrais écrire en anglais sur ce forum. Nous sommes peu nombreux ici, et même si tu t'adresse à @antix (pas sûr qu'il comprenne), les autres aimeraient peut être profiter de tes commentaires.

Si tout le monde se met à utiliser sa langue natale, et d'ailleurs je le fait pour te prouver à quel point ça peut être galère pour les autres, on va se retrouver avec un forum où personne ne comprendra rien.

En l’occurrence le chauvinisme est bien d'utiliser sa propre langue ici au lieu de la langue internationale qui est l'anglais, ne t'en déplaise. Pour preuve, même l'union européenne rédige ses documents en anglais et continuera à le faire après le départ du royaume uni de l'union européenne.

Bref, préfère les message privés à ceux qui la comprenne si tu tient à t'exprimer dans ta langue ici.

oleg · May 2018

не кажіть що мені робити і я не скажу куди вам піти,
- шовінізм -зло

кожен хай пише на тій мові якій йому краще -так буде простіше друг друга розуміти, без подвійного перекладу.

write in french - tellement mieux

hgy29 · May 2018

I do write in French in PM to French people in the forum, but I expect most readers here won't bother using google translation or anything and just ignore things they don't understand. Although it became very good over time, and it will continue to improve, google translation is sometimes not accurate enough. I read a paper about their algortihm (neural network based), which explained that to be accurate the algorithm needed a strong base of language to language official translated sentences. It will be good mostly for EN to something and something to EN, but not for more direct translations.

IMHO its better to try explain things in english with your own english vocabulary than relying on automated inaccurate translation.

I am only giving advices though, I have no personal problem with native language posts. Except that I won't bother translating them if I don't understand.

totebo · May 2018

I think Google translate is good enough in many cases, but I agree. If it's written in a language that I don't understand I have two options:

1. Copy and paste, go to Google translate, read it, go back to forum and post a comment.
2. Ignore the post.

I usually opt for the latter, simply because option 1 is a right bother. Until there is a simpler way, I would urge everyone to write in English, to keep posts immediately understandable.

hgy29 · May 2018

I reckon the best would be to have a translation plugin in the forum

oleg · May 2018

https://addons.opera.com/uk/extensions/details/googletm-translator/

keszegh · May 2018

@oleg, if you do care about people understanding your posts then you can also put your sentence in google translate and post the translation only, so then only one person has to do this task instead of everybody else doing it separately.
as @hgy29 said non-eng->non-eng translation is not so good even on google translate, so in a way you cannot avoid double-translation anyway.

oleg · May 2018

@keszegh if you care about the people you've got all your messages translated into Chinese, because the Chinese more than English.

but that there was no double translation to write in my own language, the English language has fewer words than my language, thus translating into Ukrainian-> English-> French will be more loss than Ukrainian-> French

keszegh · May 2018

@oleg, i doubt that on this forum chinese would be majority. and also i'm sure that everybody on the forum understands english more or less while not chinese, so translating to english is good for everybody while no other language has this feature.

yet i guess i will top commenting about this off-topic question, as you anyway will have the last word (in your chosen language), whatever we say.. : )

keszegh · May 2018

"the English language has fewer words than my language"
i wonder which is 'your language'
@oleg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dictionaries_by_number_of_words

and even more i wonder how much of those words you would use (on the forum).

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