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Badland
phongtt
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http://www.cocos2d-iphone.org/badland-a-cocos2d-iphone-game/
Interesting facts:
+ Made by 2 men
+ They're based off Finland (the home of Angry Birds, Clash of Clans,...)
+ Received AppStore Design Award 2013
But I don't think cocos2d is easier than Gideros
Interesting facts:
+ Made by 2 men
+ They're based off Finland (the home of Angry Birds, Clash of Clans,...)
+ Received AppStore Design Award 2013
But I don't think cocos2d is easier than Gideros
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Likes: phongtt, plamen
@moopf: how considerably is cocos2d-iphone more powerful than Gideros? In what important aspects?
I haven't really used cocos2d-iphone (just read a bit on its documentation) so I'm very glad that you'll open my mind (and also helps @atilim and @ar2rsawseen
1. Clipping. It was an extension class to cocos2d-iphone but it's so easy to make such extensions as you access to the OpenGL layer.
2. Masking.
3. Outputting to a file from a rendered texture. Again it was easy because you can access the data directly, plus I also wrote routines to resize the rendered target so I could output differently sized images of the texture to storage.
4. Sound API includes simple panning. I mean come on, I maintain that this is something that should be in Gideros and the reasons it's not are disingenuous.
5. Native particle system - yay!
6. Even if cocos2d can't do things through its standard facilities, because you have lower level access to OpenGL you can do so much more. I understand that such lower level access is coming in Gideros which will be great.
There's no way that Badlands could be reproduced in Gideros at the moment. It's doing too many neat things with OpenGL that just aren't available to us. Yes Gideros is considerably easier to develop in, it's much less verbose (a problem with Objective-C in general and cocos2d-iphone extensively!) and it's properly cross-platform in a very easy way. But it's pointless pretending that it doesn't have some big limitations.
@ar2rsawseen It's not grumpiness, it's just me being honest.
Likes: phongtt
1. We've made a contract with a commercial sound engine to make it available to every Gideros user. Sound API will be much better with 2.0. (like panning, .ogg support, looping between 2 points, streaming .wav, loading .mp3 to memory, etc.)
2. We'll provide a low level XNA/OpenGL like API to access underling graphics. So that it'll be possible to write a particle engine in pure C/C++ and it'll work unmodified also with non-OpenGL platforms like WP8.
3. Outputting to a file from a rendered texture is easy. I can add it with the next version.
4. I'm still thinking about clipping and masking
Likes: phongtt, fxone, OZApps, gorkem, plamen, chipster123
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1. Clipping I consider to be non-texture based, e.g. being able to describe the bounds outside which a sprite, and any children, are cut off and not rendered. Useful for things such as scrolling areas etc.
2. Masking I consider to be texture based, e.g. rendering a texture and having a mask texture to round corners, for instance.
That's the way I've always thought about the difference between the two but, like I say, my description might not be entirely accurate. They are different beasts but both have a lot of uses.
And to everybody, I never said I was switching. I was just pointing out that Badlands isn't something that could be achieved with Gideros as it currently stands so was probably not a great thing to use when comparing it with cocos2d.
Likes: hgvyas123
Likes: moopf
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You can't compare the gideros player to a system where you have to have your device connected via a wire and then do a complete upload each time you want to fix a bug.
Just my $0.02
@Atilim - sounds like interesting times ahead
Likes: phongtt, thanhquan1512
#MakeABetterGame! "Never give up, Never NEVER give up!" - Winston Churchill
It simply is faster. Missing quite a features now, but I hope that the redesign of the core will also allow faster turnaround of builds.
Again, interesting times ahead.
Likes: phongtt, hgvyas123