Gideros Source Released

ar2rsawseen · August 2014

Hello folks

Gideros Source released
so as you know recently we finally released Gideros Source, which is now available on Github MIT licensed:
https://github.com/gideros/gideros

We had to revert back to first working version, because for now we don't have time to finish the changes started.

Gideros Labs and Plugins
Here is the repository for plugins including ones where in Labs and couple of new ones
https://github.com/gideros/giderosplugins

Gideros 2.0
Gideros 1.0 moved too far and Gideros 2.0 is falling behind so badly, that we decided to make it obsolete (basically it is much easier to take Gideros 1.0 and modify it to work with OpenGL 2, than updating Gideros 2.0 to a state of Gideros 1.0)

So later, probably after Gideros Development version reaching stable release and when Atilim will have time, he will make a fork of current Gideros 1.0 version and port all the additions/changes Gideros 2.0 previously had, to make a current working Gideros 2.0 version, which will probably become new active development version.

Hope it all makes sense

Installing new Gideros
Currently we are looking into creating an easy to use build system so that anybody can create an installation package from codes easily.

If you have any suggestions or experience that you can share, we are all ears

For advanced users, build scripts are in gideros/scripts (https://github.com/gideros/gideros/tree/master/scripts)

Here are also tutorials for building Gideros for your system:
http://giderosmobile.com/DevCenter/index.php/Build_Gideros_On_Mac
http://giderosmobile.com/DevCenter/index.php/Build_Gideros_On_Windows

Also most probably you should be able to build Gideros on Linux and make it running without WINE

Getting Gideros License for current/previous versions
Our api now license any copy of Gideros software on any computer.
All you have to do, is to launch Gideros License Manager and authorize with your Gideros account and you will receive license, even if you are not paid customer.

P.S.
And also if you have any suggestions, maybe even fixes, commits, pull requests, (including if you want to be added to Gideros repo on github) pm me or use this thread to discuss them.

And if you want to contribute to wiki, you can request an account here:
http://giderosmobile.com/DevCenter/index.php/Special:RequestAccount

john26 · August 2014

Wow very impressive! Any rough estimate on how many lines of code? :-)

My initial look shows that it is written primarily against OpenGL 1.x and OpenGL ES 1.1. That is, it uses the fixed pipeline. I see many references to glRotatef and glPushMatrix while references to OpenGL 3+ shader language APIs like glUseProgram are only to be found in the "external" directory. Personally I rather like this approach as it is much simpler than the programmable pipeline and Gideros does quite simple drawing anyway so shaders etc would be overkill.

As it happens, I have actually written a wrapper library which takes OpenGL 1.x code and converts it to Direct3D 11 calls (with shaders) so we could maybe use that at some point? Much simpler than ANGLE (which I tried but personally found rather complicated).

ar2rsawseen · August 2014

@john26 wow that is very interesting, that could enable not only Windows but also Windows Phone 8 support for rendering.

And using such wrapper, how hard it will be to migrate to OpenGL 2 afterwards?

OZApps · August 2014

@john26, I am sure your repository would be one that would have quite a few followers once you have a derivate from Gideros Code.

john26 · August 2014

@ar2rsawseen, Yes WP8 is what I was thinking of. Also preparing apps for the Windows Store will need DirectX.

Regarding OpenGL 2, I would be tempted to accept the fact that Gideros 1.0 (which is what we are working on) is fundamentally a fixed-pipeline graphics system. There's nothing wrong with that, after all as a 2D engine Gideros will only ever use a tiny fraction of OpenGL's capabilities. Therefore I see no point replacing hundreds of OpenGL 1.x calls with OpenGL 3.x calls (plus OpenGL 3.x has much more scaffolding and more data structures to set up). For systems that don't have OpenGL 1.x, we can write replacements for calls like glPushMatrix etc. This means we add new code but don't have to change the existing code. Personally I think this is a more realistic approach given we don't have @atilim's understanding of the source code.

Incidentally, here is the wrapper library I was referring to (so far). It is tiny compared to Angle. You can see I've written my own implementation of functions like glPushMatrix, glRotatef, glColor4ub etc (basically I've replaced many of the most popular fixed pipeline calls with Direct3D calls -- but more will probably be needed)

http://sourceforge.net/p/longford/longford/HEAD/tree/dxcompat.cpp

Of course this code is not yet ready to be incorporated into Gideros. It will probably need some changes. But in principle using this approach we can get Gideros using Direct3D as an alternative graphics library in just a few days.

keszegh · August 2014

win support would be amazing.
also it would be interesting to see how much effort is to add a full-screen option to the gideros player.

vyh77 · August 2014

Thanks for the open source! but now I'm in the process of testing the game I've been working for some months, and I'd like to export a iOS project. I just did it with 2014.01 but I assume it will show the splash screen. So my question is, how do I use the latest version on github.com/gideros/gideros on my Mac? Is this already possible or not?

john26 · August 2014

I wonder if we could have a kick off meeting on Skype or elsewhere to discuss the coding issues and the way forward? The idea I've given above is only one approach of course and others may disagree. I think a video discussion would be useful.

Nascode · August 2014

@john26 i saw OpenFL guys do discussion on Slack. I never use it though

john26 · August 2014

I'd be interested to know, who here is planning to commit changes to the Gideros codebase?

speeder_kidoteca · August 2014

Question: I received a invoice today to pay for my 450 USD license...

Ther eis any point in still paying it? (ie: what you do provide for it? or the invoice is because you people forgot to disable automatic invoicing?)

ar2rsawseen · August 2014

@speeder_kidoteca sorry, no need to pay it.
Currently our payment management system is closely integrated with other parts of the website, and we are dismantling it piece by piece

ar2rsawseen · August 2014

Updated main post with info about Gideros License.
TLDR
Gideros will enable all licenses now through License manager (even for unpaid users)

Cyberience · August 2014

From a users point of view, I would say the popularity of Gideros was held up by a couple of missing things, as these things is making me look at Marmolade as an alternative, but still sticking with it at the moment.
1: Single interface for calling in App ADS for all Platforms (without having to do Xcode or android).
2: Windows Mobile Platform as an option for the enforceable future.
3:Possible Web view opject without needed the 2 Bridges. a Single bridge would have helped.

Tell you what though, its much easy to install and start programming than using that MAUI.

Just my opinion. but if the open source makes this capable, then excellent.

Tom2012 · August 2014

Thanks for the open source! but now I'm in the process of testing the game I've been working for some months, and I'd like to export a iOS project. I just did it with 2014.01 but I assume it will show the splash screen. So my question is, how do I use the latest version on github.com/gideros/gideros on my Mac? Is this already possible or not?

I'd like to know this too. Good question.

And thanks to everyone looking at the code. This is going to be an interesting time!

ar2rsawseen · August 2014

@Tom2012

Updated main post with info about Gideros License.
TLDR
Gideros will enable all licenses now through License manager (even for unpaid users)

vyh77 · August 2014

@ar2rsawseen

Updated main post with info about Gideros License.
TLDR
Gideros will enable all licenses now through License manager (even for unpaid users)

just now I understand that was a reply to my question

it works! thanks!

Simple explanation: Open Gideros License Manager, click "Update License", that's all.

SinisterSoft · August 2014

The splash screen code will be quite useful to replace the official logo with one of our own (as a splash). Please don't remove it form the code.

EricCarr · September 2014

Thanks for releasing the code!

I'm a few months new to Gideros and have really enjoyed using it. Thanks for releasing such a fine framework!

For windows, here is what I had to download to build the libgideros Android lib and QT programs like Exporter. I noticed looking at Exporter that someone looking at github could now easily retrieve the key to decrypt JET files in any APK game, so I'm working on changing this for my personal projects - feel free to PM me for code once I'm finished. The idea is just to make it a little harder now that the code is public. iOS code to follow..

-- In order to build the libgideros.so, install these two --
Android NDK - (I can't post links)

Download and extract to c:\android-ndk-r9d

The "windows" build scripts use linux commands like mv/rm. To use these commands in windows, google "gnuwin32 coreutils" and download the package.

Then add to your windows PATH the location where they are installed. For me that was C:\program files\GnuWin32\bin

-- To build the QT projects (exporter, etc.), install QT --
Google and download/run the QT 5.3 ONLINE INSTALLER

Click next and expand Qt5.3 and make sure MinGW is checked.
Install to location (C:\Qt\Qt5.3.0)

Copy the .bat files from QT5 into the main SCRIPTS folder to run them.

After doing the above, I was able to build all QT executables and the libgideros file.

Rickyngk · September 2014

Hi,

I'm using Qt5.
While compiling, it says:

/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/clang++ -c -pipe -O2 -isysroot /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.8.sdk -mmacosx-version-min=10.6 -Wall -W -fPIC -DGIDEROS_LIBRARY -DOPENAL_SUBDIR_OPENAL -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_OPENGL_LIB -DQT_WIDGETS_LIB -DQT_NETWORK_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -I../../../../Qt5/5.3/clang_64/mkspecs/macx-clang -I. -Iinclude -Iinclude/qt -I./include/private -I../libgvfs -Iexternal/snappy-1.1.0 -I/opt/local/include -I../libgid/external/mpg123-1.15.3/src/libmpg123 -I../../../../Qt5/5.3/clang_64/lib/QtOpenGL.framework/Versions/5/Headers -I../../../../Qt5/5.3/clang_64/lib/QtWidgets.framework/Versions/5/Headers -I../../../../Qt5/5.3/clang_64/lib/QtNetwork.framework/Versions/5/Headers -I../../../../Qt5/5.3/clang_64/lib/QtGui.framework/Versions/5/Headers -I../../../../Qt5/5.3/clang_64/lib/QtCore.framework/Versions/5/Headers -I. -I/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.8.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Headers -I/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.8.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/AGL.framework/Headers -F/Users/duynguyenkhanh/Qt5/5.3/clang_64/lib -o gimage-png.o src/gimage-png.cpp
src/gimage-png.cpp:3:10: fatal error: 'png.h' file not found
 
#include &#60;png.h&#62;

Did I miss something?

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Update
This issue was solved by using mac port, thank to Atilim

dreiko65 · September 2014

what about gideros labs? says upgrade to get it in some plugins. ex. luajit.
what do i have to do to get it?

jdbc · September 2014

what about gideros labs? says upgrade to get it in some plugins. ex. luajit.
what do i have to do to get it?

Luajit is already used as default in Love 2d Lua framework. Is it enough stable to use as default in Gideros?

ar2rsawseen · September 2014

@jdbc yes we think so, was using it in all my games seems to be no problem

I will soon start publishing plugins to github repo (once I get a spare weekend) and will update this thread

dreiko65 · September 2014

@ar2rswseen thanks a lot. Good to hear. Take your time.

jdbc · September 2014

I will check this issue http://luajit.org/performance_arm.html on my Gideros games.

ar2rsawseen · September 2014

@EricCarr thank you added tutorial to Wiki:
http://giderosmobile.com/DevCenter/index.php/Build_Gideros_On_Windows

ar2rsawseen · September 2014

And here is one for Mac:
http://giderosmobile.com/DevCenter/index.php/Build_Gideros_On_Mac

FlimFlamboyant · September 2014

Doh; I just missed this by a day! I did finally figure it out, though I definitely took the hard path, compiling all the required libs from source, setting up symlinks to libraries and headers in opt/local, telling freetype to stop trying to find a working x86_64 version of bzip2, and so on. Think I'll reset and use this setup anyway.

FlimFlamboyant · September 2014

Oh, by the way, "port install png" doesn't come back with anything; I think you meant, "libpng".

jdbc · September 2014

And here is one for Mac:
http://giderosmobile.com/DevCenter/index.php/Build_Gideros_On_Mac

What about Building for Linux? I am using Linux Mint + wine to develop with Gideros (I also use a Mac but less). Indeed it is easier to develop and build software using Linux.

ar2rsawseen · September 2014

@FlimFlamboyant yes thank you, will correct that, the tutorial was made from the notes that were taken before

@jdbc since Gideros uses cross platform tools as QT, you should be able to make a build that would run natively on Linux, without Wine

Unfortunately I'm not a Linux user, and have not tried that

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