Happy New Year Everyone! 2022

talis · December 2021

Hello Giderans,

I would like to celebrate all Giderans, and future gideran's new year. I hope new year will bring health, creativity to all of you.
It has been tough times for the world with all those crisis were flying around us.
Wish new year will be better for of us.

Happy new Year!!

keszegh · December 2021

is it already new year at your place? congrats.

talis · December 2021

I will be away from technology for a week so i thought that i will celebrate early:D

keszegh · December 2021

any reason is a good reason. i'm also happy with what happened with gideros during 2021, thanks for all maintainers, especially @hgy29 , @rrraptor (imgui) and @SinisterSoft . so let's start 2022 and see what it will bring.

SinisterSoft · December 2021

Happy New Year to you too.

btw, I think that Gideros 2022.1 will be a great release and a good start to 2022...

hgy29 · December 2021

Since you started this thread, happy new year to you @talis, and to every one.

oleg · December 2021

I wish everyone good health in the new year, except the Russians ..

keszegh · January 2022

SinisterSoft said:
Happy New Year to you too.

btw, I think that Gideros 2022.1 will be a great release and a good start to 2022...

please don't switch to luau yet. i need a non-luau version with latest imgui. ty

SinisterSoft · January 2022

@keszegh I don't understand, Luau works fine with imgui. ?

keszegh · January 2022

SinisterSoft said:
@keszegh I don't understand, Luau works fine with imgui. ?

but not with zerobrane studio. (i need new version due to imgui but i want to be able to work with zbs for the time being)

hgy29 · January 2022

@keszegh, you should be able to work with zbs and luau as long as you don't use debugging features. I never use them myself actually, I debug with the 'print' method...

keszegh · January 2022

hgy29 said:
@keszegh, you should be able to work with zbs and luau as long as you don't use debugging features. I never use them myself actually, I debug with the 'print' method...

i do. they are great (e.g., watch and line-to-line debugging)

keszegh · January 2022

also when you print a table in zbs it immediately prints it nicely as far as i remember (not just the pointer to the table but the contents too)

SinisterSoft · January 2022

@keszegh For table printing...

function print_r ( t )  
    local print_r_cache={}
    local function sub_print_r(t,indent)
        if (print_r_cache[tostring(t)]) then
            print(indent.."*"..tostring(t))
        else
            print_r_cache[tostring(t)]=true
            if (type(t)=="table") then
                for pos,val in pairs(t) do
                    if (type(val)=="table") then
                        print(indent.."["..pos.."] => "..tostring(t).." {")
                        sub_print_r(val,indent..string.rep(" ",string.len(pos)+8))
                        print(indent..string.rep(" ",string.len(pos)+6).."}")
                    elseif (type(val)=="string") then
                        print(indent.."["..pos..'] => "'..val..'"')
                    else
                        print(indent.."["..pos.."] => "..tostring(val))
                    end
                end
            else
                print(indent..tostring(t))
            end
        end
    end
    if (type(t)=="table") then
        print(tostring(t).." {")
        sub_print_r(t,"  ")
        print("}")
    else
        sub_print_r(t,"  ")
    end
    print()
end

Maybe that once the author of zbs knows about Luau in Gideros then it may be possible to add similar debug features - apparently Luau has better debug features than Lua.

https://luau-lang.org/performance#epsilon-overhead-debugger

btw, I too just use print (every so often) for debug, using a full debugger can bog you down and (for me) leads to slower development.

hgy29 · January 2022

@keszegh, Gideros 2022.1 will be Luau based I am afraid, if I manage to build it on all platforms and bring back functionnality they removed in such a way that previous Gideros project would run on it without changes, or with only minor changes.

I am concerned about debugging though, but I am afraid about tweaking Luau too much to get it back. Yet I see the switch to Luau as the future for Gideros for various reasons, one of them being that our lua 5.1 is getting old feature wise. Luau takes features from lua 5.1,5.2,5.3 and 5.4, and is overall a good synthesis of what is important in the language.
I hope to be able to bring back debugging in Gideros Studio first (probably not in 2022.1 though), and maybe to add back hooks needed by zbs or finding another way.
Meanwhile, if you want to stick to 2021 version for a bit more time, I can try to compile a more recent imgui binary that would work in 2021.11. Tell me which platforms you are interested in.

keszegh · January 2022

@hgy29 , thanks, that luau switch comes faster than i expected.
for platforms, i need windows (qt), mac and android, in this order of preference, android is less important.
overall i will try to live with luau and start to complain (or not) based on my experience.

SinisterSoft · January 2022

@keszegh I have tried it out and only needed to do some very minor edits. Here are the differences we have spotted that will need slight alterations - but other than that everything works fine.

https://wiki.giderosmobile.com/index.php/Lua_to_Luau_conversion_guide

MoKaLux · January 2022

no more macros

but luau

SinisterSoft · January 2022

Most people used the macros for constants, but I think that Luau has better constant support - I'm guessing that it can automatically detect which variables are constants?

keszegh · September 2023

i did not know where to post it, i guess for us it fits into 'relax cafe' although for people using unity it's quite the opposite, an unhappy new year i guess:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870547/unit-price-change-game-development
long live gideros and other open source frameworks.

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